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i found out later that he's hiding in pakistan. we need to support our military, our families and don't forget our gold star, honor and remember. >> agree with you 100%. you know how we can support them even more? is there any money wasted? you walk down this building. i believe in education. you know my background. i don't come from wealth. i came from a small school, put my own way through. i started a company, my own job at 19. i took the risk. >> are you saying the military is wealthy? >> no. listen to my point. you go down to the department of education building, the average salary there is over $100,000. what if that money was sent to the classroom instead of down the street? you agree? so how much money is spent in that pentagon and not on the frontline? >> exactly. >> that is what i'm talking about. eliminate that. more importantly, i live in california, okay. i see companies everyday leave my state because of my taxes. there's 37 million people in my state, 12% of the nation. 32% of the nation's welfare lives in my state.
i found out later that he's hiding in pakistan. we need to support our military, our families and don't forget our gold star, honor and remember. >> agree with you 100%. you know how we can support them even more? is there any money wasted? you walk down this building. i believe in education. you know my background. i don't come from wealth. i came from a small school, put my own way through. i started a company, my own job at 19. i took the risk. >> are you saying the military is...
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withdraw all from afghanistan their real the wrong way for the united states was it and turns into pakistan and afghanistan as a proxy anti-semitic jihad in the late seventy's this is the main political military and security blunder that the united states has committed in this region the united states is doomed to deal we have been blowback of its own policy back in late seventy's in pakistan and afghanistan. pot is taking to the skies and small airplanes have long been grounded by an unimaginable amount of paperwork but a recently adopted the last drops on the legal aid clearing the runway of more frequent flights however many obstacles remain a before it's the golden age for us it's own a.d.h. to these the athens games going up. dozens of pilots winging their way across russia for the second annual qubani air show for most small aircraft enthusiastic supporter fictions to meet other pilots and to enjoy the beautiful southern scenery though it took us almost eight hours to get there the views with time turned steak in november last year russia docked at a new law for small aircraft pilots
withdraw all from afghanistan their real the wrong way for the united states was it and turns into pakistan and afghanistan as a proxy anti-semitic jihad in the late seventy's this is the main political military and security blunder that the united states has committed in this region the united states is doomed to deal we have been blowback of its own policy back in late seventy's in pakistan and afghanistan. pot is taking to the skies and small airplanes have long been grounded by an...
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forces was drove from afghanistan very real the wrong way for the united states was eat and friends into pakistan and afghanistan as a proxy and i saw me jihad in the late seventy's this is their main polina can all be in which iran security and wonder are there the united states has committed in this region the united states is doomed to deal be a very blowback of its own policy in the late seventy's in pakistan and afghanistan. russian pilots taking to the skies and small airplanes are the only grounded by the other vital about the people where we simply adopt the was dropped some of the vehicle that would clear the runway for more frequent flights however many obstacles still remain if what's that building made for us in small a.b.s. yes that's nice but that's the states. dozens of pilots swing their way across russia for the second annual cuban air short for most small aircraft enthusiastic the perfect chance to meet other pilots and to enjoy the beautiful southern scenery . it took us almost eight hours to get their views with time. and november last year russia darts at a new wall for small
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united states is doomed to deal be have been blowback of its own policy back in the late seventy's in pakistan and afghanistan. now russian the pilots taking to the skies and small airplanes have long been grounded unimaginable amount of paperwork but recently adopted law has drawn some of the people of those who are in the runway from what we could flights however many obstacles remain before it's that the rage for us is a nation he sets and he's belittling states. dozens of pilots swing their way across russia for the second annual cuban air show from the small aircraft enthusiastic perfect chance to meet other pilots and to enjoy the beautiful scenery . he took us almost eight hours to get their views with by metastatic in november last year russia darts at a new low for small aircraft pilots it sounds very promising abolishing much of the preflight paperwork letting the pilots use new airfields and generally exacting international flight rules it's a dream for any plane owner in russia however not all of the all the restrictions were lifted back in the soviet times you actually had to have
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the united states is doomed to deal b of their blow back off its own policy back in late seventy's in pakistan and afghanistan. the russian pilots taking to the skies in small airplanes have long been grounded by unimaginable about some people work recently at the center there has dropped some of the rebels to clear in the runway for more frequent flights over many obstacles that remain before it's the golden age for us in small aviation these yes that's nice but that's the experience. dozens of pilots swinging their way across russia for the second annual cuban air show the most small aircraft enthusiastic supporter for chance to meet other pilots and to enjoy the beautiful southern scenery. he took us almost eight hours to get their views with the new turn stick in november last year russia up to a new low for small aircraft pilots it sounds very promising abolishing much of the preflight paperwork letting the pilots use new airfields and generally adopting international flight rules it's a dream for any plane owner in russia however not all of the old restrictions were lifted back in the cl
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this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists? meanwhile, you have the greatest tender box in the world, to save a nuclear pakistan with more than 100, probably twice as many with nuclear warheads that can fall into the hands of terrorists. >> the bottom line is, how do we deal with it? >> it's always pakistan is a basket case, a nuclear basket case. stay in afghanistan. >> you don't. you don't. >> it's not going to work. that is washington's argument, mike barnicle. pakistan is stabilized. we have to keep having american troops killed in afghanistan. it doesn't add up. invading cambodia is the right move when you are going into vietnam. >> continuing argument and keep making it because less than 1% of american families and american people are serving in the military in afghanistan. >> there you go. >> back to the draft. >> untouched. >> we need a draft. >> we'll
this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists? meanwhile, you have the greatest tender box in the world, to save a nuclear pakistan with more than 100, probably twice as many with nuclear warheads that can fall into the hands of terrorists. >> the bottom line is, how do we deal with it? >> it's...
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eleven a shiite muslims have been killed and two more wounded in a sectarian attack in southwestern pakistan they were on an inner city minibus with four identified government ambushed the vehicles following the attack dozens of splotch rode in torch two cars and two motorcycles according to police angry mob are to be calmed down by authorities and local elders. russian of pilots take to the skies and smaller have long been grounded by an unimaginable amount of paperwork but a recently adopted law has dropped some of the nickel load clearing the runway for . more frequent flights however many obstacles were maine before it's the golden age for russia's small aviation enthusiasts dennis polonsky explains. dozens of pilots swinging their way across russia for the second annual cuban air show the most small aircraft enthusiastic supporter for chance to meet other pilots and to enjoy the beautiful southern scenery. because almost eight hours to get their views with time. in november last year russia topped it a new law for small aircraft pilots it sounds very promising abolishing much of the pre
eleven a shiite muslims have been killed and two more wounded in a sectarian attack in southwestern pakistan they were on an inner city minibus with four identified government ambushed the vehicles following the attack dozens of splotch rode in torch two cars and two motorcycles according to police angry mob are to be calmed down by authorities and local elders. russian of pilots take to the skies and smaller have long been grounded by an unimaginable amount of paperwork but a recently adopted...
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we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, kari becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the int still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means. that this really affects every single thing have spoken about today. >> i agree there will be trade- offs and we will have to face up to that. there's no question. we are the tent pole that holds up the world. i am not sure how comfortable i would be in hawaii if china control the pacific. there is one thing that your questi
we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, kari becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual...
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in iraq and afghanistan beyond when we're not going to have war, you know, we're not going to attack pakistan, they can declare that as a saving too. but here's the problem, and the congressman stated it well. there are aspects of the two plans that are acceptable, and the president has vetoed those, and that is why mitch mcconnell is saying to harry reid, look, you're not going to impose your plan on a senate, 47 members who are republicans, we're going to have to deal. and i think they are going to deal, alex. they're going to send something back over to the house, and i think the house will probably have to pass it on monday or tuesday. >> okay. morris, did you think harry reid has given up too many with this bill, and do you think he's going to have to give up more to get republican support? >> i think there's going to be a lot of compromise. and remember, compromise is not a bad word. in this town, some days compromise seems like a bad word, but that's what you do when you negotiate. when you don't have an absolute majority, you have to give a little to get a little. and for some reason,
in iraq and afghanistan beyond when we're not going to have war, you know, we're not going to attack pakistan, they can declare that as a saving too. but here's the problem, and the congressman stated it well. there are aspects of the two plans that are acceptable, and the president has vetoed those, and that is why mitch mcconnell is saying to harry reid, look, you're not going to impose your plan on a senate, 47 members who are republicans, we're going to have to deal. and i think they are...
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and pakistan. the pakinstani government now banning u.s. diplomats from leaving the capitol city without getting special permission first. the announcement made in a letter sent to the u.s. embassy in islamabad, the 1961 agreement allows them to move freely. the u.s. is working with pakistan to try to resolve this issue. >> arthel: a texas gun store's phone has been ringing off the hook since some quick thinking employees likely prevented a deadly attack. greg ebert of guns galore called police to report a suspicious customer last week. that customer was arrested the very next day, just miles from the fort hood army base with materials that could be used to make bombs. ever since, he and his co-workers have been getting inundated with phone calls, thanking them for their vigilance. guns galore is the same shop where nidal malik hasan purchased a weapon before opening fire on fort hood in 2009. >>> a gun heist in california, more than two dozen assault rifles ripped off from a supply store in fort irwin. it happened july 15. investigators sa
and pakistan. the pakinstani government now banning u.s. diplomats from leaving the capitol city without getting special permission first. the announcement made in a letter sent to the u.s. embassy in islamabad, the 1961 agreement allows them to move freely. the u.s. is working with pakistan to try to resolve this issue. >> arthel: a texas gun store's phone has been ringing off the hook since some quick thinking employees likely prevented a deadly attack. greg ebert of guns galore called...
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against taliban and the kind of structure that we need to support going after al qaeda on the border of pakistan and afghanistan. perhaps it is time to shut down $17 billion worth of money going for reconstruction projects when our track record really stings when it comes to reconstruction projects. i hope that you all will convince me that i have become cynical and angry and frustrated about the way we are spending money in theater. i am looking for good news, and i hope we hear some today. but i think it is time for a guest check because i have too many people in missouri saying why can we fix this road? then i look at the practice we are building in afghanistan and it is hard to explain to them why we cannot fix that road. because we cannot afford it, but yet we can throw money away in afghanistan on projects that are not sustainable. if anybody had spent time thinking about it in the first place, they would have realized that. that kind of accountability has to be present. i am pleased that we have a number of witnesses today that are going to testify to contracting in theater. let me say th
against taliban and the kind of structure that we need to support going after al qaeda on the border of pakistan and afghanistan. perhaps it is time to shut down $17 billion worth of money going for reconstruction projects when our track record really stings when it comes to reconstruction projects. i hope that you all will convince me that i have become cynical and angry and frustrated about the way we are spending money in theater. i am looking for good news, and i hope we hear some today....
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pakistan has a lot of u.s. trainers that have been working intensely with their special forces, and as a result of that, withheld some of the decade that went with them. they also repelled some of the partnership on the war on terrorism, so to speak. they are still trying to gauge that. for now, in the past, the key relationship between the u.s. and pakistan and the military have been between admiral mullen and his pakistan counterpart, the army chief of staff. i think that this point, the u.s. is still trying to weigh what they can do to move this cooperation forward with pakistan. host: the defense policy reporter a bloomberg news, thank you for being on the "washington journal." joining us now at the c-span table is stephanie sanok, a senior fellow at the center for strategic and international studies. she is here to continue the discussion regarding u.s. policy in afghanistan and iraq. tell us from your perspective what the message of defense secretary panetta posture to afghanistan and iraq was? guest: i t
pakistan has a lot of u.s. trainers that have been working intensely with their special forces, and as a result of that, withheld some of the decade that went with them. they also repelled some of the partnership on the war on terrorism, so to speak. they are still trying to gauge that. for now, in the past, the key relationship between the u.s. and pakistan and the military have been between admiral mullen and his pakistan counterpart, the army chief of staff. i think that this point, the u.s....
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a muslim in pakistan exported nuclear technology to north korea. and muslim suicide bombers below innocent people up almost every day. yet, once again the liberal media wants you to fear christian terrorists going forward when jihad is mentioned, you know breivik and mcvey will enter the conversation. sometimes i think the world is going mad. this breivik guy is a luann, mass murderers who acted out of rank hatred. no government supported him. no self-proclaimed terror group like al qaeda paid his bills. by murdering innocent people. there is no equivalency to jihad. no worldwide breivik movement. just another violent pathetic legacy stemming back to cain. in a moment, we will discuss why the left-wing media continues to report on terrorism in this manner because islam is anything liberal. the mayor of chicago it going off on a reporter in a very personal way. coming right back. [ male announcer ] every day, thousands of people are switching from tylenol to advil. here's one story. [ george ] my name is george. i switched to advil six months ago. i
a muslim in pakistan exported nuclear technology to north korea. and muslim suicide bombers below innocent people up almost every day. yet, once again the liberal media wants you to fear christian terrorists going forward when jihad is mentioned, you know breivik and mcvey will enter the conversation. sometimes i think the world is going mad. this breivik guy is a luann, mass murderers who acted out of rank hatred. no government supported him. no self-proclaimed terror group like al qaeda paid...
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and pakistan. the government said diplomats will have to apply for special permission to leave and it is an unusual move for countries with open diplomatic relations. >> our top stories around the world in 80 seconds . veit -- viet nam. flames killing 72 people. the cause a welder parking roofing insulation. the material fell and blocked to the floor and trapping workers inside. >> south korea. regions devastated by land slide and rebuilding after days of rain. it is the heaviest downpour in a century. construction crews installeding guard rails in major highways and entire apartment blocks in ruins. australia, locals protesting an american run beauty pageant with contestants two months old. the event sexualizes children. one government official is not to please. >> i feel the mede. >>> and participants say the pageant is harmless. >> uk and zarya philips. queen elizabeth's grand daughter maring the rug bee player . there for the wedding is william and kate. it was not even broadcast on tv. that is
and pakistan. the government said diplomats will have to apply for special permission to leave and it is an unusual move for countries with open diplomatic relations. >> our top stories around the world in 80 seconds . veit -- viet nam. flames killing 72 people. the cause a welder parking roofing insulation. the material fell and blocked to the floor and trapping workers inside. >> south korea. regions devastated by land slide and rebuilding after days of rain. it is the heaviest...
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. >> unless it comes from the pakistan isi. >> we have money going to the ngo's whichever rejected it. we have an organization here in the united states helping egypt to manage elections. thee giving some money to justice and interior ministers. it is a matter of sovereignty, to have some money from abroad [unintelligible] not egypt only can accept that. >> i would ask two more questions and then we will turn it over to steve. you mentioned that you and your colleagues are ready to go back to your professional jobs as military men. eager. >> that is correct. >> since 1952 the egyptian military has played a fairly prominent role in egyptian life. you cannot say that it has only played a military role but it has played in military and political role since 1952. and right now you're playing one of your most important roles in your history. if the project works committee parliament company president, and we are on a new track toward democratic egypt, which many of us here very much hope will happen, what kind of role will the military still play? there are two models that i have in mind.
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two are on the border of afghanistan and pakistan, which leads to a lot of uncertainty on the pakistan side of the border. >> how do we bring india in? how do we bring pakistan in? again, the united states and dr. brzezinski last week when he was here talked about all of our rivals, not enemies, but rivals are sitting there smiling, watching the united states power get drained in afghanistan. they are just standing by. >> it's absolutely right. when you think about the costs, you know, we are talking $120 billion. that's combat operations alone. that's not aid. not aid going to other countries. it does not include training. we are talking billions of dollars spent on this operation that we are seeing marginal improvements. >> $120 billion on combat alone per year. i'm sorry, i'm going to say it again, while our infrastructure is crumbling, while we fall behind k-12 in the schools and having to fire teachers, i'm sorry you can't explain this to americans in town hall meetings from california to maine down to south florida. they don't understand. >> it goes back to a great line i heart.
two are on the border of afghanistan and pakistan, which leads to a lot of uncertainty on the pakistan side of the border. >> how do we bring india in? how do we bring pakistan in? again, the united states and dr. brzezinski last week when he was here talked about all of our rivals, not enemies, but rivals are sitting there smiling, watching the united states power get drained in afghanistan. they are just standing by. >> it's absolutely right. when you think about the costs, you...
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he was recruited by another agencies the jordanians and sent to pakistan. what was really a mission with little expectations, he wasn't a trained spy. but there was a hope that because he was a doctor because of his medical conditions he could get into the tribal areas. it helped us on drone strikes. started to get us very close to thinking we could take out senior al qaeda leaders. his information was really good. >> very quickly, you just said nobody had ever seen him, is that how he was able to infiltrate that base? >> when you have a good agent you go to all kind measures to protect his identity. they didn't want anybody to see him. everything was focused on trying to get in man into a cia base before anybody could see him. he had three layers of security without being searched until he was within the presence of a cia officer and then he blew up a 30 pound bomb on his chest. >> a stunning defeat for the cia. >> the book is stunning. good luck with the book. thanks for joining us. >> gone without a trace, the investigation into the disappearance of a 9-
he was recruited by another agencies the jordanians and sent to pakistan. what was really a mission with little expectations, he wasn't a trained spy. but there was a hope that because he was a doctor because of his medical conditions he could get into the tribal areas. it helped us on drone strikes. started to get us very close to thinking we could take out senior al qaeda leaders. his information was really good. >> very quickly, you just said nobody had ever seen him, is that how he...
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in addition, pakistan is a conduit to get weapons in to fight the taliban. it is a thorny issue in the one that we have to work out. to cut up pakistan immediately would be a mistake. host: greg, independent line. caller: as long as the budget is an issue, eliminate the patriots back, homeland security, the police. fire those people. fire them right now. get the money from there. no one was concerned about the budget when bush was fighting a war on two fronts. i was in the national guard and the marines. i did not go the last three times because my son came back. the national guard, it is a good thing i did not go, because all 11 people -- 20 people -- 26 people were killed and injured in that unit. so, eliminate those guys. host: i think we get your point. the guest: i am very sorry. i can tell that you are emotional about this. i am sorry about your friends and bodies that were killed. that is a problem that we hope will come to a conclusion very quickly. the threat to the world and the united states is still very real. everyone has an opinion on where we
in addition, pakistan is a conduit to get weapons in to fight the taliban. it is a thorny issue in the one that we have to work out. to cut up pakistan immediately would be a mistake. host: greg, independent line. caller: as long as the budget is an issue, eliminate the patriots back, homeland security, the police. fire those people. fire them right now. get the money from there. no one was concerned about the budget when bush was fighting a war on two fronts. i was in the national guard and...
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the pact allows the group to use it as a transit point for moving money and fighters to the bases in pakistan and afghanistan. let's get to part of what the "wall street journal" said. the quote reads they outlined what they said was a fund-raising operation that uses iran-based operatives and draws from donors in persian gulf companies. the treasury said they sanctioned six for allegedly overseeing this network. >> how concerned are you when you hear this report and what does this mean? >> it's difficult to understand at first. you look at what happens and you see militias confronting al qaeda and a lot of people die. it's difficult to imagine the allies. what's amazing is there has been evidence and through other sources that does tend to confirm the fact that iran is a major location from money laundering and cross transit into afghanistan. it is operating as a portal for the taliban and al qaeda. why is iran doing this? probably not for idea logical reasons. they wanted to reach a deal and ever since then they have been holding this issue. there have been high ranking members that are all
the pact allows the group to use it as a transit point for moving money and fighters to the bases in pakistan and afghanistan. let's get to part of what the "wall street journal" said. the quote reads they outlined what they said was a fund-raising operation that uses iran-based operatives and draws from donors in persian gulf companies. the treasury said they sanctioned six for allegedly overseeing this network. >> how concerned are you when you hear this report and what does...
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. >> unless it comes from the pakistan isi. >> thank you for this example. >> we have money going to the ngo's who have rejected it. >> registered. >> according to our laws. we have an organization here in the united states helping egypt to manage elections. we're giving some money to the justice and interior ministers. they are welcomed. mr. sweeney is all over egypt. it is a matter of sovereignty, to have some money from abroad [unintelligible] not egypt only can accept that. >> i would ask two more questions and then we will turn it over to steve. you mentioned that you and your colleagues are ready to go back to your professional jobs as military men. eager. >> that is correct. >> since 1952 the egyptian military has played a fairly prominent role in egyptian life. you cannot say that it has only played a military role but it has played a military and political role since 1952. and right now you're playing one of your most important roles in your history. if the project works, new parliament, new president, and we are on a new track toward democratic egypt, which many of us here
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particularly in places like somalia and pakistan. what's driving them to join these organizations is not cartoons. it's irresponsible parents who are trying to put their own political ideals in their kids. that's what we should be going after. not the cartoons. >> remember in the israeli-palestinian conflict when it was said the conflict itself would never end until moms loved their children more than they hated the israelis. i think in this case with al qaeda, much the same could be said. >> yep. that's true. >> thanks. >>> congress is still trying to negotiate a deal on the debt ceiling. there have been warnings about the impact on the u.s. economy. but it will also have an impact on you and your town. >>> plus an update on the memphis school shutdown over a $55 million tab. the city sent the school system $3 million so far. will the doors open on august 8th as planned? i talk with both sides of that debate. ben and his family live on this block. ben's a re/max agent, and he's a big part of this community. re/max agents know their
particularly in places like somalia and pakistan. what's driving them to join these organizations is not cartoons. it's irresponsible parents who are trying to put their own political ideals in their kids. that's what we should be going after. not the cartoons. >> remember in the israeli-palestinian conflict when it was said the conflict itself would never end until moms loved their children more than they hated the israelis. i think in this case with al qaeda, much the same could be...
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slapping sanctions on six iranians accusing them to working with al qaeda to funnel money and insurgens to pakistan. >>> a top chander and aides kr wild when a car bomb went off. >>> released from the hospital after a severe asthma attack. >>> and a former pitcher found dead today in los angeles, the victim of an apparent suicide. >>> i'm veronica della cruz, let's get balk to "hardball." >>> back to "hardball." what a night it is. the house of representatives is expected to vote on john boehner's deal. the vote is delayed. no word when it will take place and the best guess, no, he doesn't have the votes he needs to pass the bill and send it to the senate. msnbc will, of course, bring you the vote when it happens or bring you the speeches before the vote. in his debt ceiling vote, president obama angered republicans being unwilling to compromise. how has president obama fared in the fight? michael steele is here not exactly as a judge but a commentator. and msnbc contributor, and ron reagan's here. the youthful, forever youthful ron reagan, stressed in youthful attire wearing the threads of youth.
slapping sanctions on six iranians accusing them to working with al qaeda to funnel money and insurgens to pakistan. >>> a top chander and aides kr wild when a car bomb went off. >>> released from the hospital after a severe asthma attack. >>> and a former pitcher found dead today in los angeles, the victim of an apparent suicide. >>> i'm veronica della cruz, let's get balk to "hardball." >>> back to "hardball." what a night it...
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against taliban and the kind of structure that we need to support going after al qaeda on the border of pakistan and afghanistan. perhaps it's time to shut down $17 billion worth of money going for reconstruction projects when our track record really stinks when it comes to reconstruction projects. now, i hope that you all are going to convince me i've become cynical and angry and frustrated about the way we're spending money in theater and i want to tell you i'm looking for good news. i hope we hear some today. but i think it is really time for a gut check. because i've got too many people in missouri saying, why can't we fix this road? then i look at the projects that we're building in afghanistan and it's hard to explain to them why we can't fix that road because we can't afford it, but yet we can throw money away in afghanistan on projects that are clearly not sustainable and if anybody would have spent time thinking about it in the first place, they would have realized that. that kind of planning has to begin happening and that kind of accountability has to be present. i'm pleased we have a
against taliban and the kind of structure that we need to support going after al qaeda on the border of pakistan and afghanistan. perhaps it's time to shut down $17 billion worth of money going for reconstruction projects when our track record really stinks when it comes to reconstruction projects. now, i hope that you all are going to convince me i've become cynical and angry and frustrated about the way we're spending money in theater and i want to tell you i'm looking for good news. i hope...
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further afield in pakistan there are worries about the loss of badly needed aid and the impact on anti-terrorism initiatives there, and israel is also saying that this threatens the position that the u.s. holds in the world and this could be construed as a sign of real weakness by countries like iran. here in the u.k. there's a feeling that internal u.s. political wranglings are posing a real threat, alex, to the world financial systems. >> yeah. how about the headlines that people are waking up to over there? are they pretty bold? >> well, actually, you know, it's not really making front page news at the moment. you know, it's -- there is a lot of reaction, and it's been reported as political theater. some of the hldz, though, are about savers desserting the stock because of the debt crisis, how the u.s. is playing with fire as the deadline looms, but, as i say, it's not front page news yet. there are some funny asides. one paper called is debt-ageddon and one says apple has much more cash than the u.s. government. at the moment the impolitics for the uchl k. and the rest of the world are not r
further afield in pakistan there are worries about the loss of badly needed aid and the impact on anti-terrorism initiatives there, and israel is also saying that this threatens the position that the u.s. holds in the world and this could be construed as a sign of real weakness by countries like iran. here in the u.k. there's a feeling that internal u.s. political wranglings are posing a real threat, alex, to the world financial systems. >> yeah. how about the headlines that people are...
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and, therefore, we are stuck with a pakistan because i fear we withdraw, which? pakistan loses. oil we entice pakistan in various ways into collaborating in a stage withdrawal. so, this comes to the point that it really doesn't matter what happened in the past. if our goal is to somehow exit afghanistan without attempting to occupy it which is not a choice. we must deal with pakistan. i mean, who else can we? >> host: the question is not dealing with pakistan so much as what is the longer-term outcome in terms of are they going to come away from wherever we end up with a new status quo in afghanistan, we commit to the campaign of undermining their neighbor next door in india. that's -- >> guest: we can avoid that by staying in afghanistan permanently. or live with it. so here's exactly how i approach the foreign policy issue. you pose the question, if pakistan comes to be secure in afghanistan, we can destabilize india? may well. shall be therefore state permit in afghanistan? how do we prevent that? what i come to say yeah, i think pakistan and india have reasons to distrust ea
and, therefore, we are stuck with a pakistan because i fear we withdraw, which? pakistan loses. oil we entice pakistan in various ways into collaborating in a stage withdrawal. so, this comes to the point that it really doesn't matter what happened in the past. if our goal is to somehow exit afghanistan without attempting to occupy it which is not a choice. we must deal with pakistan. i mean, who else can we? >> host: the question is not dealing with pakistan so much as what is the...
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. >> pakistan. >> it is. harold ford, make no mistake of it. i saw this as a small government conservative. i say this as a free market capitalist. i will tell you a lot of people who voted for pat buchan nab two times for president would agree with me here that if you have hedge fund managers pays significantly less in taxes, our secretaries, our schoolteachers, if you have the largest corporations on the planet paying 0% in u.s. taxes, that is going to cause eventually social unrest. that's not a democratic issue or a republican issue. >> that's a problem. >> global financial institutions including imf made clear -- this challenge, unemployment and the growing disparity are the greatest threats. the question i have for dr. brzenszki, this morning, what advice would you have to achieve the most articulate and succinct frame -- i heard your frame of it, why we find ousts in this mess, the kind of shared sacrifi sacrifice. a week away from it. how do you do it, doctor. >> i think the majority in this country which involves moderate and responsib
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they have a big swath of pakistan. they're in yemen. they're in somalia. they're all the way across north africa in a growing movement that's now reaching down into the western part of africa. and so just objectively you really don't need an opinion. you just need to look at the facts, sir. al qaeda is much bigger and much more geographically dispersed than it was at 9/11. >> chad, would you agree with that? and what kind of operations are we talking about in places like algeria and eenggypt compared t what they had in afghanistan when they had the harboring government of the taliban? >> i couldn't agree more with michael. and i'd actually go a step further to say not only is he right that they have now expanded geographically and have multiple launch points for operations but if we step back and look at that map you'll see it lays over very nicely with what we're witnessing with the arab spring. we're also witnessing a dysfunctional nato operation both in afghanistan as well as in libya that leads to openings for al qaeda there. as michael points out, the
they have a big swath of pakistan. they're in yemen. they're in somalia. they're all the way across north africa in a growing movement that's now reaching down into the western part of africa. and so just objectively you really don't need an opinion. you just need to look at the facts, sir. al qaeda is much bigger and much more geographically dispersed than it was at 9/11. >> chad, would you agree with that? and what kind of operations are we talking about in places like algeria and...
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in the balance of thirty three million or so in pakistan they hate karzai even though he's a pashtun he is seen as a traitor his family is inextricably intertwined with much of the corruption and narcotics trafficking that is going on in afghanistan remember that under the taliban the narcotics trafficking was ten percent of what it is today so this is more like a mafia hit then it's a little bit and then that's that's a nation of a supported public figure you have a disses this is personal the pashtun want karzai and his family out ok so what does obama does the second letter what does obama want out of pakistan just now threatening to withdraw up to the eight hundred million dollars in military aid what's he trying to get out of them but i'm not sure he's the one who's driving it as much as it is probably of secretary of state clinton. who they are hoping that they can intimidate the pakistani government to cooperate more closely with us against elements inside their own country and afghanistan it's absurd pakistan has no interest in doing that most of the people that we're fightin
in the balance of thirty three million or so in pakistan they hate karzai even though he's a pashtun he is seen as a traitor his family is inextricably intertwined with much of the corruption and narcotics trafficking that is going on in afghanistan remember that under the taliban the narcotics trafficking was ten percent of what it is today so this is more like a mafia hit then it's a little bit and then that's that's a nation of a supported public figure you have a disses this is personal the...
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is being urged to abandon an air base it's been using in pakistan. but greece was not the only country to be hit by protests this week as u.k. public sector workers took part in a national day of strikes on thursday hundreds of thousands of teachers and civil servants a voice their discontent with government plans to change their pensions half of the country's state schools were closed down destruction was caused to air traffic during the biggest industrial action in decades artie's lore and it has the story. down tools up with industrial action and all some of discontent starts here this time it's the public sector workers walking out unhappy with the planned reform of their pensions which they say will see them paying a lot more and getting a lot less likely seeing a mock up it. looks like i'm not familiar with that seat will be back if it can make a quick fix if it changes that it may consider pensions or very necessary state is a way to address it so i think we do need to make cutbacks in fair things are being . claimed by the teacher pages by si
is being urged to abandon an air base it's been using in pakistan. but greece was not the only country to be hit by protests this week as u.k. public sector workers took part in a national day of strikes on thursday hundreds of thousands of teachers and civil servants a voice their discontent with government plans to change their pensions half of the country's state schools were closed down destruction was caused to air traffic during the biggest industrial action in decades artie's lore and it...
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one of the main reasons for the for the continuation of violent activity on the pakistan of gonna stand border is the mess that the us military has created inside afghanistan over the past decade a mess there the way they have alienated a large portion segment of the afghan population in terms of the push to try to the way they have conducted the war on terror they are the way they have alienated a large pockets really a country is a big reason for why we have a continuation of violence in afghanistan and how that violence is spilling over into pakistan and most pakistani commentators believe now that one of the ways short shortcuts really to controlling violence and extremism on the pakistan afghanistan border is really to end the war on terror the way the u.s. military and the way the cia has been conducting this war over the past ten years one step forward is of course what president obama has declared but use the words we're going to see really actions on the ground and we'll get to see whether important agencies within the u.s. government like the central intelligence agency the ci
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i also wanted to ask the role of pakistan. pakistan is a key regional actor in central asia. right now our relationship with pakistan is complicated. pakistan is obviously an important player in terms of regional stability in central asia. can you describe the -- how the pressler amendment has affected our relationship with pakistan? and how do you feel the united states needs to interact currently with pakistan and in the future? how do you feel we should use the aid as a weapon of influence based on the current relationship that we have now with pakistan? >> yeah, thank you, senator. i think pakistan is an enormously important country in the central command area of operations. in fact, when i was the acting commander, i considered it to be among probably the top one or two countries to be addressed. and we've had as you described it yourself, a very complex relationship with them. i think it's one we need to stick with. and to your point about the pressler amendment. that was a period in our history where we made a determination that we had such stark differences with pakis
i also wanted to ask the role of pakistan. pakistan is a key regional actor in central asia. right now our relationship with pakistan is complicated. pakistan is obviously an important player in terms of regional stability in central asia. can you describe the -- how the pressler amendment has affected our relationship with pakistan? and how do you feel the united states needs to interact currently with pakistan and in the future? how do you feel we should use the aid as a weapon of influence...
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is not in a war in pakistan the u.s. it is operating extra legally by carrying out these drone strikes in pakistan in yemen and somalia and in terms of it being disproportionate you know we have numbers coming out of pakistan that indicate that you know for every one suspected militants being killed one hundred forty innocent civilians are dying as a result of these strikes and so if those numbers are correct you know we have people on the ground who are who are gathering the information who are doing the investigation and trying to collect the information so that we can bring a more transparent more honest picture to the public about what's happening in pakistan. all the back with a recap of today's news and this week's main stories in just a few moments if you stay with us here on r.t. . forty two thousand americans die each year from car accidents only a thousand. seven hundred thousand people. and thirty two thousand will kill themselves cancer in all its forms kills five hundred sixty thousand of us here part diseas
is not in a war in pakistan the u.s. it is operating extra legally by carrying out these drone strikes in pakistan in yemen and somalia and in terms of it being disproportionate you know we have numbers coming out of pakistan that indicate that you know for every one suspected militants being killed one hundred forty innocent civilians are dying as a result of these strikes and so if those numbers are correct you know we have people on the ground who are who are gathering the information who...
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pakistan and israel have willing weighed in to the debate, with concerns about terrorism and israel has concerns about iran. if the u.s. is weak, they're saying, it only means they're going to be much stronger. here in the uk, though, they're basically saying that these political wranglings are posing a threat to the world's financial system. >> so it looks like something that europe is very concerned about, as well as china there. thank you so much. >>> let's get more on the debt ceiling drama from steve womack, a member of the house financial services committee. congressman, something we were just talking about, something you're very familiar with. what have you heard in terms of how countries are reacting with the possibility of the debt ceiling not being raised and the downgrading of the united states credit rating? >> let me make a very quick correction to what you said. i don't serve on the financial services committee, i serve on the house appropriations committee, on which i sit on the financial services subcommittee. so it is one of my three subcommittee assignments. but like a
pakistan and israel have willing weighed in to the debate, with concerns about terrorism and israel has concerns about iran. if the u.s. is weak, they're saying, it only means they're going to be much stronger. here in the uk, though, they're basically saying that these political wranglings are posing a threat to the world's financial system. >> so it looks like something that europe is very concerned about, as well as china there. thank you so much. >>> let's get more on the...
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is not in a war in pakistan the usa is operating extralegal by carrying out these drone strikes in pakistan in yemen and somalia and in terms of it being disproportionate you know we have numbers coming out of pakistan that indicate that you know for every one suspected militants being killed one hundred forty innocent civilians are dying as a result of these strikes and so if those numbers are correct you know we have people on the ground who are gathering the information who are doing the investigation to try to collect the information so that we can bring a more transparent more honest picture to the public about what's happening in pakistan. it with all of the live from moscow do stay with us in just a few moments you can watch our special report on the dangers of the food we eat that might kill you but first are a bunch of the week's top stories and just. download the official ulti of location. i pod touch from the top story. which all teachers life on the go. video on demand ati's minefield comes an r.s.s. feeds now in the palm of your. question on the dot com. for the full story we'v
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drone attacks in pakistan want to fire a lawsuit at a former cia legal chief for approving attacks that killed hundreds of innocent. this week the phone hacking and police bribery scandal was taken to the british parliament rupert murdoch his son james and former c.e.o. rebecca brooks all grilled by british lawmakers for several hours the trio said they were deeply sorry for what happened however new on occasions have emerged that the news international james were misled by saying he was unaware of the true extent of illicit phone tapping by his company's reporters meanwhile questions are being asked over the death of journalist sean hoare the man credited with revealing the phone hacking scandal. reports it's striking parallels with another whistleblower. from another political scandal erupts another whistleblower diaries sean hoare was the first news of the world journalists to go on the record to alleged phone hacking was endemic at the paper and that its editor andy colson actively encouraged it who was found dead in his house on monday. into a frenzy of comparisons with the case of
drone attacks in pakistan want to fire a lawsuit at a former cia legal chief for approving attacks that killed hundreds of innocent. this week the phone hacking and police bribery scandal was taken to the british parliament rupert murdoch his son james and former c.e.o. rebecca brooks all grilled by british lawmakers for several hours the trio said they were deeply sorry for what happened however new on occasions have emerged that the news international james were misled by saying he was...
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yemen somalia parts of north africa and other locations i've always believed pakistan is more central to what have you noticed a change in the guard at the department of defense with robert gates retiring and former cia chief leon panetta getting sworn in signals this change of course to critics i see no difference between between him and robert gates and for afghanistan we now hear a presidential pledge to pull thirty three thousand troops out by september two thousand and twelve fully we're covering the surge i have now at west point well it certainly sounds like what the american people would like to hear for the first time ever a majority want u.s. troops out of afghanistan as soon as possible fifty six percent or thirty nine percent want troops there until the situation is stabilized you can see the trend is really flip flopped but what is the reality of obama's plans for troop withdrawal that thirty three thousand he's calling for is a minority of the one hundred thousand american troops that are there that's not including another forty two thousand some nato troops and ninety t
yemen somalia parts of north africa and other locations i've always believed pakistan is more central to what have you noticed a change in the guard at the department of defense with robert gates retiring and former cia chief leon panetta getting sworn in signals this change of course to critics i see no difference between between him and robert gates and for afghanistan we now hear a presidential pledge to pull thirty three thousand troops out by september two thousand and twelve fully we're...
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is being urged to leave an air base it's been using in pakistan. the first greece was not the only country to be hit by protests this week as u.k. public sector workers took part in a national day of strikes on thursday hundreds of thousands of teachers and civil servants voiced their discontent with government plans to change their pensions half of the country's state schools were closed and disruption was caused to traffic during the biggest industrial action in decades and it has the story. down tools up with industrial action and autumn of discontent starts here this time it's the public sector workers walking out on happy with the planned reform of their pensions which they say will see them paying a lot more and getting a lot less but i kept saying it was a problem and. that if. i was familiar face having to take it here i take it that. the changes that i may consider pensions are already necessary to face a way to address it so i think we do need to make cutbacks in sad things i think. tried to teach expressions by sight much as if it's too
is being urged to leave an air base it's been using in pakistan. the first greece was not the only country to be hit by protests this week as u.k. public sector workers took part in a national day of strikes on thursday hundreds of thousands of teachers and civil servants voiced their discontent with government plans to change their pensions half of the country's state schools were closed and disruption was caused to traffic during the biggest industrial action in decades and it has the story....
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policy or the lack of faith regarding pakistan and afghanistan no less has been said about the nato operation or actually aerial intervention and bombing in libya take a close a look at how the nato air wield bombing in libya is related to american tribe vies in afghanistan and pakistan on a technical basis yes they nato intervention and indiscriminate bombing in libya could be both the united states and nato operation but technicalities aside it is not just a tune and a half wars for the united states in reality if not on the ground at least in the air over a levy very bombing is one hundred percent nato operation timing off nato operation against libya demonstrated not on the lack of trust between the united states and pakistan and bad leadership it is also indicative of a huge credibility gap between genuine united states of america and its european nato partners. i am observing nature and discover its buzy. least the communicate with the wild under. test yourself and become free and. see what nature can give you an aunty. forty two thousand americans die each year from car accidents only
policy or the lack of faith regarding pakistan and afghanistan no less has been said about the nato operation or actually aerial intervention and bombing in libya take a close a look at how the nato air wield bombing in libya is related to american tribe vies in afghanistan and pakistan on a technical basis yes they nato intervention and indiscriminate bombing in libya could be both the united states and nato operation but technicalities aside it is not just a tune and a half wars for the...
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policy from the unilateral troublemaking in afghanistan and pakistan to comprehensive regional policy we have shanghai cooperation organization as being the true and reliable partner for the united states instead of nater that who provided the brand new opportunities both for united states pakistan and its neighbors to jumpstart totally new regional security policies that will benefit to all parties concerned. and later we'll bring you the revelations of a military journalist hispanic year in iraq and interviewed thousands of u.s. soldiers that's in a special report coming out about fifteen minutes time here on r.t. . in the spending the year in iraq is knowledge or journalist i saw some of the ways to go and u.s. contractors there is kind of wasting their time trying not to get killed three and . a and. i thought all was willing to do stuff to see about five hundred miles. it would take me about twenty seven days in newton to publicising from people and by the markets i think the whole lead speech was people started the face of a dialogue in sleep just. changing the slogan or when th
policy from the unilateral troublemaking in afghanistan and pakistan to comprehensive regional policy we have shanghai cooperation organization as being the true and reliable partner for the united states instead of nater that who provided the brand new opportunities both for united states pakistan and its neighbors to jumpstart totally new regional security policies that will benefit to all parties concerned. and later we'll bring you the revelations of a military journalist hispanic year in...
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in this war is that fall from ending terrorism fall from brigades of more quickly it has spread to pakistan where there are more and more drone attacks it is a war which has not brought democracy afghanistan is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and the truth is the nato presence and nato forces on not part of the solution well speaking about that the transfer of control there from nato troops to local troops in afghanistan is still far from stable as the troops withdraw so how likely do you think it is to enjoy a return to taliban control and you said earlier that this withdrawal is actually failing. well the taliban have grown in strength the americans are talking to the taliban it is almost certain that whatever settlement eventually comes in afghanistan it will involve the taliban in some capacity nearly everybody now recognizes this so what is the point of continuing this war the point of continuing this war is because the americans and the british and their allies camel admit defeat in the second country all through what happened in iraq but is why they're there they are t
in this war is that fall from ending terrorism fall from brigades of more quickly it has spread to pakistan where there are more and more drone attacks it is a war which has not brought democracy afghanistan is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and the truth is the nato presence and nato forces on not part of the solution well speaking about that the transfer of control there from nato troops to local troops in afghanistan is still far from stable as the troops withdraw so how...
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is being urged to leave an airbase it's been using in pakistan. greece was not the only country to be hit by a protests this week as public sector workers took part in a national day of strikes on thursday hundreds of thousands of teachers and civil servants and voiced their discontent with the government plans to change their pensions half of the country's state schools were closed down that destruction was caused to air traffic during the biggest industrial action in decades artie's more m. it has the story. down tools up with industrial action and autumn of discontent starts here this time it's the public sector workers walking out unhappy with the planned reform of their pensions which they say will see them paying a lot more and getting a lot less back here even. if i work for me fifty fifty a week it. was the changes that make it eventually very necessary to fix a way to address it so i think we do need to make cutbacks in things that are being . tried in the private teaching ranges by so much as it is these people do a huge variety of key w
is being urged to leave an airbase it's been using in pakistan. greece was not the only country to be hit by a protests this week as public sector workers took part in a national day of strikes on thursday hundreds of thousands of teachers and civil servants and voiced their discontent with the government plans to change their pensions half of the country's state schools were closed down that destruction was caused to air traffic during the biggest industrial action in decades artie's more m....